Lincoln Continental Split Bumpers: Yay or Nay?

"Luc - The Acadian Oppo" (luc5) 01/05/2015 at 16:06 • Filed to: None

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My citroen won't start > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 16:08

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Please don't mod that Lincoln.

ly2v8-Brian > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 16:08

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yay

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > My citroen won't start 01/05/2015 at 16:10

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Why not? That was the whole point of getting it to make something unique out of it.

stock is boring.

My citroen won't start > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 16:11

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That car already is unique. Subtle classy uniqueness

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > ly2v8-Brian 01/05/2015 at 16:12

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Right on. I like it but lately people on here have been against everything I thought of doing.

If I keep getting this kind of response I won't bother updating you guys on the build and do it my way whether they like it or not.

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 16:13

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Nay. It ruins the look of the front-end.

PS9 > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 16:15

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Don't listen to him. Put some 30s on it and get a sparkling candy paint job!

jkm7680 > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 16:15

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If you don't do the Bro Truck rims, Then sure.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > jkm7680 01/05/2015 at 16:16

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But I like the bro truck wheels.

Nothing > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 16:18

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I'd like it if some depth could be cut off that bumper as well. The grill sitting that far back from the bumper, when split, looks a little odd. I'd also finish the inside cuts of the bumper so they tapered more and looked less like it was just chopped apart.

jkm7680 > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 16:18

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They just wouldn't work though.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > PS9 01/05/2015 at 16:22

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I on the verge of taking this project offline as everyone seems to be against the stuff I want to do.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 16:22

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Is there somebody selling ones, or is it up to you to trim them? I'm not against it, but they're a bit on the chunky side, so they need to trim in well to "work". The ones in the picture are close, but not quite there. I should also go on record as being for wire wheels.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > Nothing 01/05/2015 at 16:24

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I am planning on tucking the bumpers a some more regardless if I split it or not. They do stick out to far as is.

The only thing is the rear bumper brackets are really rusted so I'll need to find some good ones before I take the bumper off because once it's off I don't think I can put it on again without new brackets.

lone_liberal > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 16:26

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Nay, but as I've shown in other posts I'm no fan of huge grills. YMMV.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 16:27

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like some others have said, if it's tucked in some, could look really cool.

I know you said you've been catching some flack about your designs, goals.

ignore them it's your car and if they don't have anything positive to say about the post they are breaking rule #1.

I'm sure not everyone loves my 68 Montego.

What engine is in that big badass?

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 01/05/2015 at 16:27

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I would be making it. I would tuck them closer to the body as the bumpers already stick out too far.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 16:31

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I'm definitely not in a good house to throw stones on bumper mods (way too clear), as I'm putting '72 Mustang bumpers on a '63 Falcon... I just kind of wonder if something like small bumperettes would be possible - think like a pre '73 Vette or Camaro.

PS9 > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 16:31

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FUCK everyone else! Ain't their time and money going in to it, tell'em to get stuffed if they don't like the result! You'll have at least one supportive watcher if you continue modding and posting it.

KnowsAboutCars > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 16:34

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Hydraulics and Daytons or keep it stock!

jariten1781 > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 16:38

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I see what they're going for there, but I don't think it works well.

What you could do, for the same effect would be to source some pre-5mph Mark IV bumpers. I think they only made them in 72. They were tight and sloped under and really fit the lines of the car.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/05/2015 at 16:39

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Thanks dude! I have a 400ci small block mated to a C6 3spd tranny. It's good for all of 159hp and 315ft/lb. I might have to hop it up a bit.

I'm essentially planning to make this into a big ass muscle car. a lot of people are against it but I don't care. This is my car and I never do anything the way everyone else does it. What would be the point of that?

wagon guy now drives a boostang > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 16:41

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I say go for it! I'm with the earlier suggestions about tucking the bumpers in a bit as well, but it sounds like that's part of your plan anyway.

I look forward to seeing more of the build as you go, forget about the haters.

wagon guy now drives a boostang > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 16:42

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I agree. Stock is boring. Do something with it you like!

ly2v8-Brian > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 16:43

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Modding is Free expression so, you do what makes YOU happy.

Axial > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 16:44

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I kinda like it. I would do something to better finish out the split rather than just cut it and leave it like this guy did, but it's not bad.

Love the purple.

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 16:45

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Are you going this way with it?

ly2v8-Brian > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 16:45

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New Pistons, cam, and heads. should cure your malaise power woes.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > PS9 01/05/2015 at 16:46

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Right on! Thanks for the support!

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 01/05/2015 at 16:50

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I'd have to take a closer look as to exactly how it is set up on the lincoln but anything is possible if drink enough beers.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > jariten1781 01/05/2015 at 16:51

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your right that does look pretty damn good. might be hard to find but it would look nice that's for sure.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 16:54

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It's your car, do whatever that makes you happy with it. As long as it's not like death spikes on the front bumper...

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 16:55

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Isn't that the truth? I think my Ranchero may originally have had rum or its aftereffects involved.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 16:57

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ly2v8-Brian is definitely on the right track with his advice.

My recommendation is LET IT BREATHE MAN, LET IT BREATHE.

These engines were brutally choked out for emissions. Bigger carb, heads, cam, and an intake.

Get that exhaust flowing, too. Not just the glasspacks, pick up some high-flo cats to replace what you have.

For an intake checkout the "one step above standard" Edelbrock Performer RPM, Will have the RPMs up higher than standard, that torquey bastard might need it.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > ly2v8-Brian 01/05/2015 at 16:58

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With 62cc chambered heads vs the stock 76cc heads would make it unnecessary to change the pistons. It would raise my compression from 8.4:1 to just under 10:1 and should make it closer to 300 horses with a cam, headers and a good 750 cfm carb

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. 01/05/2015 at 17:00

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To a certain extend yes that's sort of the goal. Obviously not to that extreme but I'm essentially planning of making this a Muscle Lincoln.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/05/2015 at 17:06

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The glasspack is just for temporary noise making until I can do full length headers, highflow cats and a 3" custom exhaust.

The other advice you gave will be looked into further. Heads are the only thing I'm hesitant on because 1 head cost more than I paid for the whole car. Might have to try and find some better flowing heads on the used market.

TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 17:09

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Mmmm, 400 Cleveland smogger. Ya got yourself a stump puller there. Im not %100 sure, but I believe that the heads from early 351 Cleveland's might fit. Unless my insomnia is catching up with me and I'm talking complete nonsense.

But I think the 400M was a stroked out Cleveland with hillariously low compression. Ie, 8.5/1 compression. Get some '70-'71 Cleveland heads on there, to bump up the compression, a bit of machine work, you'll be golden.

And that C6 will handle anything you throw at it, as long as its in good shape. Although overdrive might be nice for highway cruising.

Have you tried to get anyone to Photoshop your bro truck wheels on there? It just popped into my head that those black wheels would look bitchin with a nice gloss black paint job.

Sorry if I'm rambling. Damn sleep cycles. I sound like James May for gods sake.

TDogg > Axial 01/05/2015 at 17:29

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I agree - it looks good, just a bit unfinished as is.

Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 17:44

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I kind of like this, but I say you either need to shorten the amount the bumpers stick out or find a way to shave them completely off.

Tuned-Port-Injected-Rage > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 17:44

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Eh, I'm not really a fan. It looks unfinished and spoils the lines, in my opinion. Like everyone else is saying, though, its your car. Do what you want with it, and ignore the rest. It will still be extremely badass, no matter what you do to it.

I fully agree with jariten1781. If you could find a pre-5 MPH Mark IV bumper, I think it would look incredible on your Lincoln.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts 01/05/2015 at 17:46

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Yes you are right the 400m is a stroked 351 cleveland and it has 8.4:1 compression. I'm no good with photoshop but I'm really good at picturing what something will look like in my head. And so far these wheels will be real sinister looking and perfect for what I'm trying to achieve.

But yes I'm 95% confident the Cleveland heads will bolt right up I just need to find the right ones and I'll be roasting tires in no time.

it doesn't sound like ramblings at all so far this has been the most helpful comment on here.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > Tuned-Port-Injected-Rage 01/05/2015 at 17:52

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Yes that bumper he mentioned looks fantastic. Thanks for the support.

TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 18:37

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Well, maybe I can help a bit more. I know some one who has a pair of unmolested 4 barrel Cleveland heads might even have a Ford intake.

Shoot me an email at thevancen@gmail and I can poke around a bit.

TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 18:58

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Also, yes to the split bumpers. slim them, tuck em in a bit.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts 01/05/2015 at 19:22

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PM sent!

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts 01/05/2015 at 19:48

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I did a little bit more research and those 70-71 351C-4V heads would be amazeballs! Exactly what the car needs. 62cc closed chambers with large port intake and exhaust! FUCK YEAH! It would bump it up from 8.4:1 to 10.7:1 - 11:1 depending if they are the 62cc or 63cc either way it would be a MASSIVE improvement.

TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 19:58

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Oh yes. The only thing with the 4V heads is that they make all their power above 4000 rpm. The Cleveland me and my father built for our '70 Ranchero GT still has the 2V heads, but uses a special intake that let's us use a four barrel holley square bore. The reason the 2V heads are nice is that they make gobs of torque really low down, like peak torque on this engine comes on at just under two grand, not a stock cam though.

With the 4V heads though, the intake and exhaust runners are massive, I can nearly fit my fist in the exhaust port. The only ones bigger I've ever seen are the ones on the 429 SCJ in the garage. You get a can later down the road, the 4 barrel heads will breathe like nothing else.

And as a tiny side note, all the Cleveland derived engines, even the 400 Modified like yours, are all considered big blocks. You're only 29 cubes short of Fords most bonkers engines. 429 Super Cobra Jet. Mmmmm.

Its not for sale, I know that for sure.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts 01/05/2015 at 20:03

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I did some reading and on a bigger displacement (400ci and above) the 4V heads are preferred since they need more breathability because of the longer stroke.

If you plan on stroking your Cleveland to 393 or 408 ci, the Aussie Cleveland head becomes debatable depending on how you intend to use it. With a longer stroke comes the need for more breathability. North American 351C-4V heads with their large intake ports work better with displacement in excess of 400 ci. Large ports cultivate the velocity needed with the deep draw of a long stroke, which gives you torque at lower RPM ranges.

source of info is here:

http://diyford.com/351-cleveland-…

It really seems line the 351C-4V are the ideal heads for my application.

TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 20:20

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Check the email i just sent you and have a spare pair of gitch handy.

TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 20:22

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Also, the valve size numbers he gave me are likely wrong. But they are definetly not stock size...

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts 01/05/2015 at 21:16

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There is nothing in my email?

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 21:45

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Not a fan, personally.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts 01/05/2015 at 22:37

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Now I got an email from you but it's totally blank? why do you have to be such a tease?

TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 22:43

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Oh for fucks sake.

TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/05/2015 at 22:43

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I save it as a draft, ill send it a couple more times. As an appetizer, there not stock heads. Bigger valves port and polish, double springs etc....

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts 01/06/2015 at 00:55

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that sounds expensive?

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts 01/06/2015 at 01:11

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I finally got it.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/06/2015 at 10:21

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What year is your lincoln? I think the cheap quick power is in the carb and intake.

I can't tell you how much those 2 plus flowmasters did to wake up the Montego.

I have a 302 that was originally a 2 barrel, so I got the above mentioned Edelbrock Performer RPM (craislist- 60 bucks) and a 4 barrel Holley (only about 400 CFM, its a little motor with stock heads, it doesn't need more than that, it's actually running a bit rich right now) The Holley was $25 bucks on CL but it need a full rebuilt, thankfully I brought it to my dad's shop (ASE Master Mechanic for as long as I can remember existing) and he rebuilt it for me for free.

Added on the true dual flowmasters (super 44) and holy shit did this thing wake up.

I'm sure you could do the same treatment to the Lincoln for some serious upgrades.

From other comments answers - I'll confirm (just to have another voice) that the 351C heads will bolt on to your 400.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts 01/06/2015 at 10:24

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I love the conversation about these old Ford Motors you guys had last night.

You all sound like you have great plans.

I kept the 2V heads on my Montego when I put on my edelbrock intake and 4 barrel holley.

Massive, massive improvement.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/06/2015 at 10:29

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Mine is a smogged 1979. I've been looking for used parts but they seem to be harder to find for the 351/400 vs the much more common 302. The super 44's is actually what I was planing on using on the "real" exhaust, until then I just want to make noise.

I sort of trying to work a deal on some used 351C heads that would bump up the compression from 8.4:1 to almost 11:1. that would wake it up big time. I'm sure the heads alone would give it an 80hp bump or more.

I'd want a the very least a 650CFM for this big beast.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/06/2015 at 10:34

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much bigger beast, 600+ for any kind of performance would be smart.

Super 44's are fantastic. But I will warn you about 1 thing.

With the 3 speed transmission (I have a C4 3 speed) they are loud as fuck on the highway. Best way I can put it. If you plan on highway driving you may want to think about the Super 40s. Or ear plugs. Haha.

I don't even have headers, just stock manifolds. And yes you can find parts for a 302 anywhere you throw a rock, I'm really lucky about that. It's because 289,302, and 351W parts all bolt on, the Edelbrock is actually for a 289, deal's a deal tho! I completely get the budget performance build. That being said I think each of my Flow's were about 65 bucks after a nice discount code on advance. Might end up being better than having to pay another round in a couple years.

Heads, intake and carb will probably get you 150 more ponies, Those engines have great potential!

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/06/2015 at 11:27

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I hope you are right on the HP gains. I've been on my local classifieds ever since I got the car looking for parts.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/06/2015 at 11:36

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The heads are going to be the biggest gain, though I would estimate roughly:

85hp from heads

30-40hp from carb

40 from intake

That would total on the high side at 165 increase, so my initial guess of around 150 should be attainable.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/06/2015 at 11:50

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btw, not sure where you are (I'm in Metro Detroit) but I just found this full set of stock 351 C 4v from 72.

http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/pts/478089…

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/06/2015 at 12:00

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those heads would be useless as far as gains go. only the 70-71 heads will make it worth the upgrade. you see how those are open chambered? the 72+ heads were all open chambered and 74cc chambers(the same as what I have now). The 70-71 were closed chambered and had 62cc chambers so it would give me high compression. The price tho is fantastic! if it were a year older I'd have you buy it and ship it to me asap.

This is what a closed chambered head looks like.

I'm in Edmonton AB by the way.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 01/06/2015 at 12:08

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damn 1 year off!

Unfortunately didn't see any 70-71's

now i'm on there looking for Montego stuff, see what you started (I'm so sorry bank account)

TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/06/2015 at 13:54

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Yeah, my father did exactly that with his '70 Ranchero. Makes all the torque down low .

He did a cam and a holley 550. He always likes to put smaller carbs and jet them up, he says it makes the engine run a lot better, not over carbing the engine. He only used a 650 on his old 429 that he had in his Torino. And that thing could eat a C4 Vette for breakfast.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts 01/06/2015 at 14:00

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This was my dad's old Torino Drag Car. 351Cleveland with a 550 4 barrel on it. He tried a 650 once and had worse times, ripped it off. A lot of people just assume in a performance application you must have ALL THE CFMS. It's just not needed sometimes.

Maybe one day the Montego will do a massive smokey burnout at a drag strip lol.

Cam and heads would be big upgrades to my engine, I don't feel like I need them though.

It's all stock internals, and stock C4 Transmission (which the above drag car was running so more power through a C4 is completely fine) I just don't necessarily need it.

I want a fun nice cruiser, not a drag car. With the engine upgrades I did, it performs drastically better. (and on a hell of a budget)

TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 01/06/2015 at 14:09

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I love 70 71 Torinos. My old man has had three, a 70 bade model hardtop, not even a fast back, that he stuffed a built 429 and C6 into and painted yhe most beautiful shade of green ive ever seen. And the Ford Rally wheels just complete it.

His other two are both 70 GT convertibles. One is a factory 429CJ four speed car. The other is one he's had since he was 17. He called it the beast. Competition Orange, black top, black interior, hide away headlights, and stripe delete.

The Green car was sold to a fellow in England and the Beast and the Cobra Jet are awaiting restoration.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts 01/06/2015 at 14:20

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Dayum - to all 3.

Awesome series of Torinos!

Honestly I stumbled on my Montego when looking for a red Torino, to follow in my dad's foot steps of red Torino's. It was cool, a little weirder because no one knows what they are (haha) and the price was so great I couldn't walk away from it.

In case I never gave you a run down on it, I haven't had a post about it in a while, it's a:

1968 Mercury Montego MX 2 door hard top. Cardinal Red, black vinyl top, bench seats. Cyclone GT package (power steering and better front sway bar - power brakes would've been nice...or maybe some discs) Originally a 302 2v engine with C4 trans. I have the original window sticker from the dealership it was sold at in 68, and it has just a bit over 60,000 original miles (lowest mileage car at our house actually!)

Engine upgrades from me include Edelbrock Performer RPM Intake (289), 400 CFM Holley 4 barrel carb, true dual Super 44 Flowmasters. Oh, and an Edelbrock Air Cleaner.

Original under-hood appearance:

now: